Utopia Talk / Politics / icbm launched in war

TheChildren Member	Thu Nov 21 05:30:37 how is it that u r always wrong? How u foolz so wrong everytime? rememba? "rrussia 2 scared 2 do anything" "if they wuld they wuld done it alrdy" u crazy mothafuckers, warmongerin idiots with 13 iq... how u wrong every single time? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5QU878UGm4 god dauym r u darwin award winners?
TheChildren Member	Thu Nov 21 05:36:27 mutiple sources say same thing. is real, idiots. no nuke warhead of course. was no air sirens either, they cant even track it, it that fast http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwbYB46L7ek
jergul large member	Thu Nov 21 05:53:11 Russia is fooling around with "rods from the gods" re-entry vehicle payloads its seems. I hope the Patriot vehicles are ok.
jergul large member	Thu Nov 21 05:55:20 And yah, this is most def a step up on the ladder. Seems Putin wants to underline the credibility of its nuclear deterrent even if facing conventional payloads targetting its cities.
Paramount Member	Thu Nov 21 06:26:51 Well, the Russians are incompetent. They missed their target. Washington and London.
Paramount Member	Thu Nov 21 07:11:10 This is embarassing. USA and Britain are directly involved in military attacks on Russia proper, and Russia respond with a puny strike at some unknown village in Ukraine? Russia needs to stop being nice and pretend it’s a ”special military operation”. They need to understand that NATO is directly engaged in a war on them and that in a war you destroy your enemy, thoroughly and entirely until there is nothing left.
Paramount Member	Thu Nov 21 07:56:00 ” no nuke warhead of course. was no air sirens either, they cant even track it, it that fast http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwbYB46L7ek ” ^ they were supposedly duds. Even more embarrassing. Russia is being too nice.
Rugian Member	Thu Nov 21 09:05:02 Does Russia not realize that they're the aggressor in this war? Hey fuckheads, you don't have a deterrent. You idiots started this in the first place, Ukraine is free to respond to you however they want.
jergul large member	Thu Nov 21 09:17:17 Ruggy It started with Maidan and a limited civil war in Donbas Russia involved itself in. The 2022 invasion is merely an escalation of an existing conflict. This argument is why quite a few countries are neutral. Of course Ukraine is free to respond any way it likes if it feels it can deal with the repercussions. It does whine quite a bit more on social media than I would like if I wanted to think it feels it can deal with repercussions.
jergul large member	Thu Nov 21 09:19:05 But you should definitely send Ukraine more Patriots. Perhaps everything you have along with every missiles and all production in the years to come. Not that it will make a difference, but at least you would be standing with Ukraine for as long as it takes.
LazyCommunist Member	Thu Nov 21 09:53:04 Putin plays 6d chess! http://x.com/nexta_tv/status/1859532336477401314 During the briefing, Zakharova received a call from the Kremlin and was instructed not to comment on the strike on the Ukrainian Yuzhmash (Southern Machine-Building Plant) with an intercontinental ballistic missile.
murder Member	Thu Nov 21 10:51:04 Oh no! Russia is now using intermediate range missiles to bomb the country that they were bombing with shorter range weapons! This should provoke as response from Joe Biden ... in about 6 months.
Paramount Member	Thu Nov 21 16:53:03 "rods from the gods" It did look like rods. Hot rods of Putin.
jergul large member	Thu Nov 21 17:12:57 Para I was actually wondering about that. It is sort of hard with icbm speed. turns out Russia has a payload for slower missiles. Interesting.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Nov 21 20:33:20 Ruggy This started with Ukrainian War of Independence in 1917, marking the first Russian attempt to squash an independent Ukraine, but not the first nation and people Russia had or would subjugate. The 2022 invasion is merely an resumption of Russian imperial ambitions. The question is why some people are still struggling to understand this? I'm just kidding, it's not a real question, it's because they either support it (jergul and paramount) or are actually for real retarded (forwyn and Turtlecrawler).
Paramount Member	Fri Nov 22 03:13:53 It started when the first European settlers arrived in North America and created the USA.
murder Member	Fri Nov 22 06:35:18 Most of our founders were natives. :o)
murder Member	Fri Nov 22 06:51:06 Although a few were filthy Irish.
jergul large member	Fri Nov 22 06:58:41 Nimi Ukraine itself says the war started in 2014. Its one of the stupid things it does in the name of nationalist fevour. I don't support it. I am on record stating the 2022 invasion and occupation is worse than anything the US has pulled after 1945 (with the possible exception of enabling Israel to do the same thing Russia is doing). I do however follow the just war template. Ukraine is not longer fighting a just war as continued fighting will not give any proportionate benefit. This changes the moment Ukraine seeks a negotiated end to the conflict. So yah, the jergul living rent-free in your head is only spuriously related to the one posting here ;).
Rugian Member	Fri Nov 22 07:36:49 I mean...is this even worth addressing? Whatever your thoughts on Maidan, it wasn't a casus belli for Russia to militarily intervene in Ukraine. Neither were the internal disorders in Donetsk and Luhansk. Russia has zero, zero business being where it is right now. That's what makes them in the wrong and Ukraine's struggle against them just. Nim We all know this started when Kievan Rus disintegrated in the Middle Ages. Kiev getting spun off from the rest of the Russian world is a historical wrong that Putin is now finally rectifying.
TheChildren Member	Fri Nov 22 07:51:59 it is when u start shellin folks and raisin an army and have full yankee bases there only powa determines now who gets wut they want over there. and it aint u. can pour in anotha 900 billion if u want. will only prolong this stuff by several years. they done talkin. wut we seein here, is wut happens when color revs go wrong
TheChildren Member	Fri Nov 22 07:52:50 also turns out it aint icbm... but a new type of unstoppable missile from how it falls down vertically, it is prolly ballistic. meanin unstoppable.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Nov 22 07:56:01 Mhm. You are sharing that space with 4 others and even then, merely stereotypes of turd ideas floating around society. But I mean whatever enjoy your space, who am I to tell you how to be incoherent you crazy person you :-)
jergul large member	Fri Nov 22 08:38:54 Ruggy Intervening in civil war like conditions is done by everyone. You still have soldiers in Syria, right? And then Russia's intervention escalated after 8 years. So negotiations are needed to settle it all. It is a legitimate position to hold. I don't agree with it, but it is a legitimate point of view. South Africa has that view to name one of many countries.
jergul large member	Fri Nov 22 08:39:31 Nimi You are cute when you project like that <3.
Paramount Member	Fri Nov 22 09:01:10 Russia was concerned about their national security as the US had built bases in Ukraine, and Ukraine itself was interested in re-aquiring weapons of mass destruction, and NATO wanted to expand to the doorstep of Russia. If the USA and Britain was allowed to invade Iraq because they were concerned, then other countries too has the right to invade countries if they are concerned. But Russia also wanted to protect the population in eastern Ukraine as they were getting bombed and shelled by their own government (Ukraine). So, Russia had every right to intervene in eastern Ukraine.
Paramount Member	Fri Nov 22 09:03:49 ”new type of unstoppable missile” A Mach 10 missile, Oreshnik a.k.a The Rod of God.
jergul large member	Fri Nov 22 10:28:55 ahaha, its not known as the rod of god. That is just me repurposing Reagan era star wars terminology. Kinetic impactors using velocity and mass instead of explosive. It was clear from the videos that the strike packages were kinetic.
Paramount Member	Fri Nov 22 10:41:14 But I think we should name it The Rod of God.
jergul large member	Fri Nov 22 11:21:35 We can do better Hotrod and God? Even though the fellow was an atheist. One of his redeeming features.
TheChildren Member	Sun Nov 24 15:39:14 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL7Hb0fcpbU scary stuff 36 warheads went through 4 floors of compound like hot knife through butter no bunker or silo is safe, this thing shreds. all that remains is dust now, compound gone.
Paramount Member	Thu Nov 28 16:54:59 The warheads attacks their targets at the speed of Mach 10 which is about 3 km per second. The temperature of the striking elements reaches 4000 degrees. So yeah, a hot knife. Or a hot rod (of God). For reference, the sun’s surface has a temperature of 5600 degrees celcius. Everything that is in the epicenter of the explosion is divided into fractions, into elementary particles. Dust!
Paramount Member	Thu Nov 28 17:05:01 Supposedly hundreds of people were killed and wounded in the factory, including Western engineers. I’m gonna guess that some of them has to have been Swedes, because Sweden has said that it is helping Ukraine with their missile production. Although I’m not sure if we only help them with the funding or if we actually have (had) engineers in that factory.
Paramount Member	Fri Nov 29 00:44:50 BREAKING NEWS: The Russian embassy in Stockholm has been attacked Drones dropped paint on the Russian embassy A drone flew in over the Russian embassy on Kungsholmen in Stockholm last night and dropped paint over the area, writes Aftonbladet http://omn...yska-ambassaden-inatt/a/PpaKBb A Swedish retaliatory strike?
jergul large member	Fri Nov 29 05:49:02 A hot knife through butter is a good analogy. The submunitions do bleed a significant amount of speed that mostly becomes thermal energy, about half of which is encased in the submunitions. So, yah, Russia has a non-nuclear way of blowing up the remaining 32 bridges across the Dnipro if it ever got tired of attriting the Ukrainian military into very small pieces.
jergul large member	Fri Nov 29 05:52:49 The war is still about attrition with advances incidental to the attrition game. Though Russia is slowly developing strategic depth by gaining terrain it could easily afford to lose. Ironically, strategic depth may come before operational depth (basically large buffer zones around important hubs like Donetsk City, or Russian border regions).
murder Member	Fri Nov 29 12:59:53 "So, yah, Russia has a non-nuclear way of blowing up the remaining 32 bridges across the Dnipro if it ever got tired of attriting the Ukrainian military into very small pieces." Russia is going to hit a bridge with tiny kinetic warhead launched via IRBM? That's one fairy tale I haven't heard yet.
jergul large member	Fri Nov 29 13:20:38 Well, yes. Your version is a fairy tail. We have established 36 destinct warheads @ 100 kg each. Kinetic impact equal to a 1000 pound bomb each, with an additional thermal effect of a 250 pound bomb each. Energy equivalents. Each is the equivalent of 5 himars missiles. You know, the missiles you think will topple Putin's regime.
jergul large member	Fri Nov 29 13:21:52 Not that Russia will do that. Just a convenient plan B for drawing the new frontier along the Dnipro.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Nov 29 21:13:00 "We have established 36 destinct warheads @ 100 kg each. Kinetic impact equal to a 1000 pound bomb each, with an additional thermal effect of a 250 pound bomb each. Energy equivalents. Each is the equivalent of 5 himars missiles. " Lol
jergul large member	Fri Nov 29 23:52:09 Yes, sammy, we know himars missiles contain a pathetic amount of explosive filler, but the point stands. Bridges are actually a pretty good targets as the superheated submunition will eventually hit water for optimized effect in addition to the kinetic force of impact. The actual Nato worry should be that two of these missiles can destroy most of an airbase. And what is Nato without aircraft?
Sam Adams Member	Sat Nov 30 07:56:31 Not a single correct statement.
jergul large member	Sat Nov 30 09:09:53 Yes, you seldom make correct statments.
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