Utopia Talk / Politics / Blue Sky

tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Nov 19 23:07:56 another competitor to Twitter... but this is the one! maybe they craftily went w/ a logo reminiscent of Twitter's old one & can make an account w/o giving phone number http://bsky.app/ the captcha was tough... it asked me to say which pair was different w/ 5 pictures of varied cooked chickens next to varied uncooked birds... apparently it was as 1 uncooked bird was a penguin while the other uncooked birds were parrots & the cooked chickens were a red herring (hadn't seen that type of captcha before... technically all 5 pairs were different & i'm willing to fight that in court...)
Paramount Member	Wed Nov 20 00:37:56 ” can make an account w/o giving phone number” it means that they already have other more discreet ways to collect your phone number when you create the account. Don’t be a fool. AI collects it automatically. The US regime authorities and Meta knows who you are.
Rugian Member	Wed Nov 20 08:09:46 Awww, leftists are retreating to a new safe space. Apparently the prospect of using an open forum platform that happens to be owned by a Trump supporter is too much for them. Yeah. You guys are never allowed to accuse Fox News watchers of being stuck in an ideological bubble again. You're the exact same type of person as your boomer Hannity-loving granddad.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Nov 20 08:16:16 Apparently ever since the snow flakes went into exile there, the number of reports on the platform went to the moon. lol :-)
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Nov 20 08:47:23 Lulz. They even report each other for wrongthink. XD Hilarious that tumblefag is such an idiot that he's jumping on this train. All that platforms like this achieve for useful idiots like him is making their cognitive dissonance even more difficult to handle when they accidentally stumble across the truth.
obaminated Member	Wed Nov 20 09:35:26 Let them eat each other.
Daemon Member	Wed Nov 20 10:01:34 Technically, Blue Sky is much more interesting than X. But I doubt the funding. It won't be able to support massive user growth. So there will be changes at some point. In the worst case, BS will one day become as bad as X has become thanks to Musk. But until then, it will remain exciting.
Seb Member	Wed Nov 20 10:07:52 Rugian: Blue sky is more open than twitter. I made the shift a while back after my feed became entirely overrun with bad zeroth order US focused political takes (I have here for that) and I was no longer seeing my professional networks and interests. My feed is now blissfully free of irrelevant US politics bar one guy who is at least interesting. Sure, if the main thing you want is right wing US political discourse, X is the place to be. If you want to go back to 2012 type Twitter, Bluesky is the place to be.
murder Member	Wed Nov 20 11:38:23 The minute Bluesky adds trending topics, it will be better than Threads. And anything is better than the Nazi site.
murder Member	Wed Nov 20 11:39:43 "Awww, leftists are retreating to a new safe space." Awww, Nazis are upset that they have to troll each other now.
Paramount Member	Wed Nov 20 11:54:42 I have basically quit all social media. It feels so good. Logging in to Twitter/X or any other similar social media is just a waste of time and reading and seeing all the shit there just makes me angry. I still have my account on X but I don’t use it anymore. Okay, I check it for only a few quick minutes maybe once per month or every two months. But that’s it. The only thing I use is youtube.
obaminated Member	Wed Nov 20 12:50:00 If blue sky moderates free speech then it'll end up like threads. Irrelevant. It's funny that all these celebrities went to blue sky and not threads. Passively admitting threads doesn't have the reach they (really their publicists) want.
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Nov 20 12:50:06 [sebfag (obvious liar, likely pederast, Regime sycophant)]: "Blue sky is more open than twitter." lol sebfag pretended it's more open right before saying that he's just constructed a bubble "blissfully free" of opposition thought. That's all that these retarded leftists want from media: a bubble where their lies can propagate without opposition, where they can say retarded things like that "men can be women" and not have to hold their breath wondering if there is a reasonable person among them who will disagree. There is a "trans" activist on Twitter called "Esqueer_" (a dude pretending to be a girl) who admitted to blocking 1 million people for this effect. If you see leftists praising Blue Sky, it is entirely because the software does that for them automatically.
Seb Member	Wed Nov 20 13:05:49 CC: I've had conversations on Bluesky where I disagree with people about stuff. Some of that even extends to politics (UK politics). What I don't have is swivel eyed lunatics like you burbling on about race science or nonsense about DEI etc. The fact is, generally, I'm not on twitter to talk politics (nor bluesky). That doesn't make it an echo chamber. What is sad is you can't conceive of a public forum where the discourse isn't centred on right wing talking points. What you guys seem to want is really something like one of China's forced political re-education camp where "leftists" are forced to listen to you regurgitate the liturgy according to the wingnut until we all finally pretend to agree with you to shut up.
Seb Member	Wed Nov 20 13:19:08 "it is entirely because the software does that for them automatically." It largely doesn't actually, mostly the big difference is that it hasn't juiced the feed to highlight paying users, musk and advertising
Seb Member	Wed Nov 20 13:19:21 So you can actually see people you follow
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Nov 20 13:41:39 • [sebfag (disingenuous liar, Regime sycophant, likely pederast)]: "What is sad is you can't conceive of a public forum where the discourse isn't centred on right wing talking points." lol I can't conceive of Twitter before Musk? XD XD XD I can't conceive of a tumblefag psychosis thread? I can't conceive of Reddit and Imgur?? XD XD XD • [sebfag (disingenuous liar, Regime sycophant, likely pederast)]: "What you guys seem to want is really something like one of China's forced political re-education camp" The absolute projection! :D :D :D Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton saying that her opposition needs to be "deprogrammed": http://www...programming-maga-cnn-interview Meanwhile x2, the Regime always seems to want a monopoly on all media. Hmm. Why would liars want a monopoly on all media? Almost like they're liars who need their lies to thrive by not having opposition! Almost like they're totalitarian psychopaths who cannot function on an open platform! lol :D • [sebfag (disingenuous liar, Regime sycophant, likely pederast)]:"mostly the big difference is that it hasn't juiced the feed to highlight paying users," lol Compare to sebfag's love of Twitter when the blue check meant that you were a Regime sycophant and part of the false "expert" class, with your left-wing dogmas pushed into everyone's feeds to artificially promote Regime talking points. sebfag's absolute piece of shit logic. • [sebfag (disingenuous liar, Regime sycophant, likely pederast)]: "What I don't have is swivel eyed lunatics like you burbling on about race science or nonsense about DEI etc." So basically you're a disingenuous liar and Regime sycophant who wants a pro-pederasty space where you can lie and promote pederasty. Yup. Sounds like pre-Musk Twitter. You'll just keep admitting that you want a pro-Regime Overton Window where the right is always minimized and "conservatives" are not conservatives but just Regime sycophants who are pulling up the rear of the leftward-marching Overton Window, you fucking commie swine :D That's a great endorsement and could make a great advertisement: ------ MAP-supporters like sebfag are free to be who they really are! Onnnnnn Blue Sky™! \:D/ (Paid for by NAMBLA for Blue Sky) ------
Seb Member	Wed Nov 20 13:48:22 See - literally can't conceive of the idea anybody might use the internet for something other than politics." "the Regime always seems to want a monopoly on all media." Would that be the media outfit that's privately owned by an incoming department head of the new admin, whose already threatening trade action against any anti trust rules other jurisdictions might apply to his outfit?
Seb Member	Wed Nov 20 13:55:16 I think you need to accept, CC, that sometimes people aren't just not interested in your position, they aren't even interested in the topic - and the idea they need to get forcibly exposed to your discourse isn't "freedom of speech" but actually deeply totalitarian.
Seb Member	Wed Nov 20 13:56:59 Speaking of pederastry, the explosion of porn and CSAM on twitter after Musk took over and nuked the team tasked with getting rid of it is another reason people are motivated to move off the platform.
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Nov 20 14:35:58 • [sebfag (disingenuous liar, Regime sycophant, likely pederast)]: "literally can't conceive of the idea anybody might use the internet for something other than politics." lol, you disingenuous piece of shit. :D That is your *own* thinking error. Imgur, for instance, used to be silly memes until Regime media post-2016 started paying sock puppets to spread psychosis propaganda on the platform, making everything political. On Imgur, you could look at a picture of puppies and see psychotic faggots such as yourself talking about Trump in the comments. After years of that they added a "politics" tag filter, but they simultaneously removed the ability for users to vote on tags (so people could not warn each other; only the originator of the content could tag so malicious users would just not tag "politics" so that people would see their content) and thus forced politics into everyone's feeds. It is the nature of leftism to force the political into all spheres, as leftism is inherently totalitarian — Ice-Nine annihilation. A leftist would call a rock "political" or a Planck's length in the real a "perfectly straight line" from this anthropomorphic delusion while never seeing the liar using the instrument of measure. You once again project your own totalitarian belief structure. • [CC]: ""the Regime always seems to want a monopoly on all media." • [sebfag (disingenuous liar, Regime sycophant, likely pederast)]: "Would that be the media outfit that's privately owned by an incoming" You liars among the left really have no sense of scale or reality. It's always some subjunctive situation that "could" happen in the future, like how Trump *might* prosecute actual traitors of the West (like yourself). Meanwhile, the left *does* have a monopoly on media. Who owns CNN, BBC, The Guardian, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, AP, Disney/Marvel, and a thousand others propaganda and control apparatuses? The Regime. They *have* a monopoly. It is *not* theoretical and is *not* some *possible* measure of an incoming administration that *might* be "literally Hitler" — it is present and undeniable reality. But disingenuous faggots such as sebtard will say, "[Erm, but Elon Musk bought Twitter. *We* need a space now! *We* need *our* Joe Rogan since we lost our Joe Rogan! We have to crush Fox News and Twitter so that the right has nowhere to speak!]" You dumb motherfucker. XD This is part of that left-wing delusion where they are always the underdog. Even with near complete ownership of media and corporations, they *still* pretend that the right has too much of a voice. These people are absolute liars and totalitarian sycophants. Leftism is a spiritual disease, like a Faustian library-as-laboratory that can never know the wild world and instead must make everything into books so that the bookworms may feast. • [sebfag (disingenuous liar, Regime sycophant, likely pederast)]: "I think you need to accept, CC, that sometimes people aren't just not interested in your position, they aren't even interested in the topic" Pathetic and transparent red herring and «ad hom». In reality, many people want to learn about classical thought and right-wing positions, but the Regime's ownership of nearly all media means that they receive this information in fragments. Incurious leftists such as yourself willfully insulate yourselves because you intuitively know that ignorance enhances your compliance with Regime directives, sure, but not everyone is as pathetic as yourself and yet they find tremendous Regime-constructed barriers to information and truth. • [sebfag (disingenuous liar, Regime sycophant, likely pederast)]: "the idea they need to get forcibly exposed to your discourse isn't "freedom of speech" but actually deeply totalitarian." Pathetic and transparent red herring and straw man fallacy. Every time you attempt this line of, "[Erm, actually, *you're* the totalitarian!]" you just further demonstrate what a fucking joke and intellectual coward you are. I have *never* claimed that any kind of "force" should be applied to the left receiving counter-arguments (e.g., through the forced control of social media, through forced rules on equal air-time). That is an absolute and disingenuous invention of yours as well as a projection given that Regime media — which you totally support — is the one who pushes that dogma of forced propaganda (e.g., through rules on "misinformation", through "deplatforming", through the lie of "hate speech"). Forced propaganda is a directly stated dogma of "our democracy" (i.e., the Regime slogan with which you agree) — *not* of my libertarian-right belief in truth and nobility. You are free to have your pro-pederasty Blue Sky platform as pro-pederasty is according to your principles. And I am free to annihilate pederasts, as that is according to my principles. But it is *you* who push your pro-pederasty dogmas into right-wing spheres by political force (e.g., lawfare, public policy, censorship, anti-West annihilation), whereas I would leave you free to your echo chambers. Were you not such an evil piece of shit that you openly call for an end to my Western love of liberty under the false moniker and treasonous diminutive of phrases such as "swivel eyed lunatics", I would be happy to never know of your boiling army of hate for the West within Mordor, but your every ideological fragment is a march on Minas Tirith where you hope to destroy the West. Your only solution for we in the opposition is to allow this annihilation to proceed, but all this does is prove that your caliphate must be obliterated. I would prefer your disenfranchisement or deportation, but you cannot help but prove with your every word how much you hate the West and want a greater punishment.
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Nov 20 14:40:17 • [sebfag (disingenuous liar, Regime sycophant, likely pederast)]: "Speaking of pederastry, the explosion of porn and CSAM on twitter after Musk took over and nuked the team tasked with getting rid of it is another reason people are motivated to move off the platform." I already explained how this is a shitlib lie above, but sebfag is illiterate so I'll rephrase: The reality is that Regime propagandists attempted to poison Twitter with CP following Musk's takeover, so there was a period of a week or so wherein Musk had to implement new anti-CP controls. Regime propaganda lied by saying that there was a rise in CP (i.e., pretending that Musk enabled it whereas the Regime conducted a CP DDoS), whereas following the initial acquisition it actually fell sharply. sebfag liars, meanwhile, pretend that this initial period persisted or that Musk pushed *for* CP (an outright lie of innuendo). This sebfaggish lie is no different than a williamthecoward taking sick pleasure in a family-values conservative erring with his family while williamthecoward openly protects pederasts in his midst. We all know who protects the pederasts, and it is not Musk.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Nov 20 19:39:49 "Speaking of pederastry, the explosion of porn and CSAM on twitter after Musk took over and nuked the team tasked with getting rid of it is another reason people are motivated to move off the platform." Why do you just make shit up?
Seb Member	Thu Nov 21 00:47:23 Nah, I posted at the time - a bunch of outfits that monitor CSAM picked up that it had exploded on twitter. This also corresponded with the team responsible being reduced to 1 person. Relatively recently a similar outfit pointed out it had flagged material, which was subsequently not removed. The correlation is obvious. You nuke the team responsible, then the function team supports stops happening.
Hrothgar Member	Thu Nov 21 09:44:53 The real winners are people smart enough to never sign up with these social media companies in the first place. Facebook is my long running sin. But I've avoided the rest luckily. Also, Cherub Cow sounds like an actual lunatic now days when he tries to troll on this site. Like a dirty hoodie wearing, creepy glasses, unibomber living in the woods alone, writing manifestos sort.
murder Member	Thu Nov 21 10:48:40 People still use facebook?
Cherub Cow Member	Sat Nov 23 19:23:55 [Hrothfag (Regime sycophant, piece of shit leftist who should change his screen name to "Grendel")]: "Also, Cherub Cow sounds like an actual lunatic" Get fucked, faggot. You're the same piece of shit who tried to get me to stop following the election fraud litigation in 2020 because you had so thoroughly sucked the Regime's cock by saying that simply *questioning* the results were "a threat to our democracy" — absolute Regime doublethink. You degenerate swine have played your hand too many times. You have no soul, no mind, and therefore are not even human and no actions against you are morally wrong. That is the consequence of your ideology. You have 58 days. [sebfag (Regime sycophant, traitor to the West, likely pederast)]: "You nuke the team responsible, then the function team supports stops happening." This is more of sebfag's delusional bureaucratic Vogon logic. He thinks that a thousand bureaucrats have value because in the Circumlocution Office it is helpful to obscure responsibility among a collective. In reality, that office was pro-CP (having a sebbish ideology) and had to be replaced with people actually capable of doing the job (non-sebguls). Because sebfag is pro-CP, he has to obfuscate this point while he simultaneously champions the pro-CP Blue Anon gay-dating website. There is no lie that sebfag would not tell.
Seb Member	Mon Nov 25 03:15:41 No CC, I think if you sack all the people responsible for undertaking takedown notices and developing and maintain automated kiddy porn detection, when people post kiddy porn to your website, it will remain on the website longer than it would otherwise have done because nobody is taking the action to remove it. It's a fairly simple causal link. Calling said people bureaucrats, and deeming bureaucrats unnecessary isn't a magic spell than causes kiddy porn to self delete. We live in the real world and such magical thinking doesn't work in the real world.
Seb Member	Mon Nov 25 03:18:52 Didn't you spend a significant amount of time trying to persuade me to click a link you yourself had described as child abuse? I mean whose the real pederast here: someone who advocates for slashing censorship of kiddie porn as useless bureaucracy and tries to get people to click on links of child abuse... look in a mirror.
kargen Member	Mon Nov 25 15:58:39 Blue Sky is basically a tiny version of Twitter before Musk purchased it. They blocked the Babylon Bee's first post as being I think incendiary. Anyway they blocked it for some reason. I posted once on X to tell Representative Greene she was an idiot and if Biden got reelected she would be one of the reasons why and I haven't posted on Blue Sky at all. Read some stuff. Neither really interest me.
jergul large member	Mon Nov 25 18:36:30 Why does Cherub Cow [probable pedarast] want to keep child pornography online for longer? Just asking questions here.
Sam Adams Member	Mon Nov 25 20:38:32 Seb is still making up child porn accusations against his political opponents?
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Nov 26 02:49:41 [sebfag (Regime sycophant, likely pederast)]: "Didn't you spend a significant amount of time trying to persuade me to click a link you yourself had described as child abuse?" I knew you'd float that straw man fallacy again, you zero-conscience disingenuous piece of shit. As I explained then ( http://uto...hread=91859&time=1689804046392 ) and as I'll explain again now for the potentially new audiences that you're attempting to deceive because you are a liar and piece of shit leftist with zero sense of noble morality: That picture was not CP, not illegal, and not any of your other fucked up innuendos. That picture is *still* on Twitter, does not violate YouTube policies, does not violate Blue Pedo's policies, Facebook's policies, or *any* social-media policies. Stop lying, you piece of shit. You didn't even look at the picture (or so you claim), so you're floating an argument from your own pathetic and willful ignorance. The picture was of a man pretending to be a woman and suggesting that he was breastfeeding his trafficked ("adopted") baby. The picture and the delusional man was featured in a BBC video-story. The point of that picture is that it was a completely "neutral" picture by all of your leftist metrics; if you are right-wing it triggers a disgust reaction whereas if you are a degenerate leftist and pedo-supporter such as yourself, you would see it as totally fine and normal. It was a Rorschach Test that I knew that you would fail, since you support degenerate freaks such as that. Naturally, since you knew that it would trap you, you avoided it. But we all know that you support degenerate freaks and are thus lying through your teeth. It is *you* who support LGBTQ2S+NAMBLA degeneracy, and so your attempts at projection are obvious lies and smears. We would simply have to re-phrase these truths into your pro-Regime language, such as by asking, Sebfag, • Don't you support LGBTQ2S+ communities? • Aren't you an 'ally'? • Don't you 'accept' broader and more diverse identities? • Don't you foster a more 'inclusive' environment at work? • Don't you think that LGBTQ2S+ rights are *human* rights? • Don't you believe in 'equity' for 'historically marginalized groups'? • Don't you want LGBTQ2S+ people to feel 'safer' and more 'visible' in schools, workplaces, and communities? • Aren't you a 'changemaker' for 'trans justice'? • Don't you want to end 'systems of oppression' that have 'historically disenfranchised' LGBTQ2S+ and marginalized communities? If not, • Do you support re-establishing The Buggery Act of 1533? • Do you support removing all LGBTQ2S+NAMBLA people from public office, the bureaucracies, and public life? • Do you support re-instituting marriage as a sacred life-affirming institution between only a biological man and a biological woman? (I.e., do you support ending "gay marriage"?) • Do you support stopping Marxist-deconstruction language and recognizing that "gender" refers only to "masculine" and "feminine" and that those two genders refer directly back to the biological states of "man" and "woman"? • Do you support recognizing that "trans" people are suffering from gender dysphoria and need to be institutionalized and/or medically normalized and brought to accept their actual state as man or woman? • Do you support the death penalty for state apparatchiks who allowed or performed surgical and chemical emasculation of White Westerners on behalf of "trans" "affirmation"? All of the first list is Celebration Parallax; it is the Regime's Newspeak for LGBTQ2S+NAMBLA/pederasty, degeneracy, Malthusianism, anti-natalism, and antiWhiteism. You support it, but you hide behind the Regime Newspeak so that you can be pro-pederasty while feigning ignorance. And this is crucial for understanding why Twitter was able to *reduce* CP following Musk's acquisition and why Blue Pedo is *increasing* its CP following the left-wing migration: the bureaucrats who were in charge at Twitter pre-Musk and the leftists in charge at Blue Pedo were/are ideological clones of pro-pederasts such as yourself, and thus their definitions *favored*/*favor* the presence of CP and of general degeneracy. Meanwhile, because Musk purged the degenerates, CP controls became *more* stringent after the adjustment. It is really very simple. Degenerate freaks such as yourself are pro-CP as a core part of your very ideology — you simply describe it as something else. Because of your sick ideology, it is in your nature to cultivate spaces where those sick acts become normalized and accepted. Conversely, the right is the group that wants those people thrown off of tall buildings but is merely managing its disgust reaction for the sake of "civility". Look no further than the "Libs of TikTok" account. The jewish owner of that account merely posts TikTok degeneracy on Twitter. Because this was illustrating the Celebration Parallax, pre-Musk Twitter leftists were attempting to get her removed — for posting their own degeneracy! This is because leftist degeneracy is allowed to thrive in these sick "safe spaces", whereas the very *judgment* of the right implicates them and becomes a thorn in their sides. But the will of Titus Caesar Vespasianus lives among the West. Your sick Third Temple and the revolt of your slave/death cult will be defeated again.
murder Member	Tue Nov 26 07:31:52 "'ll explain again now for the potentially new audiences that you're attempting to deceive because you are a liar and piece of shit leftist with zero sense of noble morality" > voted for a rapist > supported a child raping and child sex trafficking nominee for Attorney General > supports an entire administration and party full of criminals Noble morality.
kargen Member	Tue Nov 26 20:18:19 you forgot the word alleged. You forgot it three times.
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Nov 26 23:13:35 [kargen]: "you forgot the word alleged. You forgot it three times." Yup, he sure did. And I'll again point out that murderfag only ever has these lawfare cases and shitty innuendo as "proof", whereas we know for a fact that Joe Biden is an actual pedophile whose son is a pedophile who slept with his own niece and likely got her pregnant. Also interesting and related to the subject, from Andrew Torba, CEO of Gab: ----- Thank you for mentioning Gab @joerogan. You might be surprised to learn that once we banned Israeli IP addresses the vast majority of this bot behavior you described stopped, because that's where it was coming from. They also tried spamming the site with porn, which we prohibit, and that ended too. More often than not the email addresses behind many of these accounts we traced to Jews LARPing as violent "nazi" extremists too. Marc is right as well, you need a spine of steel and no one better than Gab has demonstrated that spine. We didn't cave to the ADL, the mainstream media, Congress, or foreign nation states. To this day we are the sole social media platform that has no "hate speech" policy unlike X, Rumble, and others which do. http://x.com/BasedTorba/status/1861499781295608280 ----- Torba further clarifies in the comments that blocking Israeli IPs and blocking VPNs (VPNs are largely owned by Israeli companies that discretely data-mine for blackmail) resulted in a massive reduction of bot activity. Why, do we suppose, Israelis would be spamming right-wing sites with porn? Why would it be a tactically sound move for Israelis to spam Twitter with porn following Musk's acquisition? Why does Israel not need to spam Blue Pedo at all?
Seb Member	Wed Nov 27 03:32:49 Cc: You posted a link, and told me it would be evidence of my sexual deviancy if I didn't consider it paedophilic (or words to that effect). So either it was child abuse, or you are admitting you have very strange ideas about what constitutes paedophilia. Either way, you were posting something you consider paedophilic. Or it was all just bullshit. Normal people don't do this CC. I'm not sure how you think this comes out with me being the "likely pederast" - rather you seem to be the one with an unhealthy obsession here.
Cherub Cow Member	Sat Nov 30 05:02:49 [sebfag (likely pederast)]: "You posted a link, and told me" Keep lying, faggot. No one believes you. You don't even believe yourself.
Seb Member	Sat Nov 30 08:53:33 CC: I suppose you probably aren't lying in the sense of deliberate mistruth. You've just totally lost grip on reality.
Cherub Cow Member	Sat Nov 30 21:29:59 Keep lying, faggot. Anyone who wants to know that sebfag is a coward who is lying can simply refer back to my comment above ("Tue Nov 26 02:49:41"). Because sebfag is a dysgenic coward and a traitor, he will never respond to comments like that. His only tactic now is to spam and evade while hoping that people forget what a piece of shit he is.
murder Member	Sat Nov 30 22:25:24 *Dubs thee CherubDike*
Seb Member	Sun Dec 01 03:57:35 One does not wrestle with a pig. They drag you into the mud and though you win, you get filthy while the pig loves it.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Dec 01 19:27:42 Describing yourself again, faggot? You're the pig in this equation, you fucking commie swine :D I even said as much above! So you're once again just stealing my words and projecting them, as is your weak and cowardly nature. Feel free to respond to my comment above ("Tue Nov 26 02:49:41") if you learn to stop being a fucking coward. :)
Seb Member	Mon Dec 02 08:34:47 It's just the normal bunch of random unsupported allegations and conspiracy theory. Cowardice would imply responding to it is some-how brave rather than a waste of time. It's just guff a crazy person wrote on the internet, and you don't "win" if chose to ignore it. Air the opposite.
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Dec 02 08:41:17 [sebfag (likely pederast)]: "It's just the normal bunch of random unsupported allegations and conspiracy theory." False. You are lying again. The comment above has specific questions that you could answer but are too cowardly to answer. You're totally fine with the "waste of time" of your faggoty little pot-shot comments that consistently fail to engage with actual arguments, but you're too much of a cowardly little bitch to actually answer simple and straightforward position questions. I.e., Feel free to respond to my comment above ("Tue Nov 26 02:49:41") if you learn to stop being a fucking coward. :)
jergul large member	Mon Dec 02 09:24:41 CC I get that heroic is an important characteristic for a jungian archtype. But are you not arguing to cross-purposes? How heroic is it really to debate a coward? Would it not be more heroic to gloriously defeat in discussion a malignent anti-hero?
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Dec 02 09:33:14 Stop being such a blithering faggot, jergstain.
jergul large member	Mon Dec 02 10:37:28 There you go. Pick a fight with a proper anti-hero. Very couragous. Heroic almost :).
Rugian Member	Mon Dec 02 14:51:33 "AOC becomes the first user (besides Bluesky itself) to hit 1,000,000 followers!" http://www...t_user_besides_bluesky_itself/ Leftists should be embarrassed by how blatant this ideological bubble they're building for themselves is. Seb, you always had the ability to filter your feed on X, you apparently just never did it. That said - your description of BS doesn't give with what I've been hearing. It's more 2019 than 2012 Twitter. I suspect you're still getting hot political takes, they're just takes that you agree with and approve of.
obaminated Member	Mon Dec 02 16:41:05 This is the worst possible thing liberals could do to themselves but the best possible thing they could do for conservatives and independents. They relegated themselves to a smaller corner of the "internet conversation area" where only their opinions are heard and repeated and repeated. They will not attract conservatives or independents, meaning they are not going to gain supporters. They only stand to lose their support by going further and further left to where rational democrats or independent thinking democrats will leave for..... X. The only air conversation from all sides where you can see with unedited video evidence what is happening around the world. You can hear and see all sides. Whether you agree or not. They are setting themselves up for failure and are to stupid to recognize it. Or rather. They are so stunned by their defeat from MAGA that they don't know what to do and are just running away. It's gonna doom them in 2026 if they keep this up.
obaminated Member	Mon Dec 02 16:43:23 Oh. And since liberals are en masse fleeing X for blur sky, when those alienated independent thinking democrats return to X they are going to see and only see conservative/independent positions with nary a liberals defense in sight.
murder Member	Mon Dec 02 16:51:45 MAGAts don't care that leftists are fleeing X in droves, and they are going to whine their asses off about it.
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Dec 03 02:01:10 [obaminated]: "They will not attract conservatives or independents, meaning they are not going to gain supporters." Exactly. The major issue that the Regime is facing is credibility. Pre-Musk Twitter was able to falsify credibility by hiding the bodies and pretending that their brand of censorship was simply "objective" and a reflection of "neutral" global secular humanism or the lie of a functional global discourse. The utility of the Regime's falsified credibility was that low-IQ useful idiots and cultists such as tumblefag, murdertard, and sebgul could visit Twitter and think that they were merely seeing the results of reasoned debate where the best ideas were the "cream of the crop" most visible in their feed. This cultivated their belief in the lie that "reality has a liberal bias" and that their ideas were simply winning as a grassroots movement. This "grassroots" movement was proven to be a lie. The grass was Astro-turfed. Their ideas were not winning because they were better but merely because they were being manipulated into relevance via algorithms written by left-wingers. The very structure and content-policing of Twitter was exposed as systematically against right-wing thought, and when post-Musk Twitter lifted bans on the right-wing content creators who had been banned, the left shit their diapers and peed down their legs in outrage. Even now, the left has to be explicitly against free speech. They hide behind lies such as "policing misinformation", "anti-platforming", "regulating social media", and "protecting the vulnerable from 'hate speech'", but anyone paying attention knows that those are just means of removing the thoughts of the right from the discourse. The left cannot win arguments, so they hide, evade, censor, deplatform, obfuscate, and lie in bad faith. So leftists moving to BlueAnon is merely an admission that they cannot win arguments or build a coalition without these bad-faith tactics. They can again have their echo chamber conversations — which was the point of pre-Musk Twitter — but the difference is that the façade of objectivity or of a public square is gone. When they retreat to an echo chamber built expressly for the purpose of boosting their left-wing psychosis, they can no longer pretend that they are winning because their ideas are better — they have to face the fact that their ideas only "work" in the absence of reality and in the absence of the right who champion reality. TLDR: After drops such as the Twitter Files, delusional cult leftists such as tumblefag could lie to themselves and pretend that there *was* no bias against the right; but on BlueAnon, there is nothing to pretend: everyone knows that it's just left-wing propaganda — a snake eating its own tail.
Seb Member	Tue Dec 03 05:10:49 Rugian: "Seb, you always had the ability to filter your feed on X" I did, and what happened is over the last year I just got more and more random trump maga bullshit, I got tired of having to constantly push it back into "following" from "for you" and even in following I wasn't reliably seeing those I followed latest posts. Bluesky works very well for me. I can see a diversity of views, my professional network etc. Just like twitter used to be, but without all the fiddly crap. I can also find better rolling news coverage of e.g. Ukraine and Syria from various OSINT folks. The same accounts cross post to Twitter, and they'd disappeared from my feed over there. I don't have a problem being exposed or engaged or challenged by political views, but contentless rage-vomit like CC isn't something I want to waste time with; and political debate isn't my main focus for twitter or bluesky. The basic problem with X is he's optimising for business needs over user needs. Same reason threads didn't take off. You can moan about echo chambers or whatever, I don't care. X's algo appeared to be trying to force feed me American culture war bullshit 24/7 - that's a real echo chamber - and I'm not interested.
Seb Member	Tue Dec 03 05:13:40 Obaminated: Was Fox news the worst thing that ever happened for republicans? There's something to be said for having a big enough platform to forge a consensus, and the lefts problem has always been its inability to do so. Careful what you wish for. If bluesky really were this giant whatsapp group for lefties your make it out to be, it doesn't at all follow that this would be the extent of the media reach it has.
Seb Member	Tue Dec 03 05:14:37 Honestly though, your ideas about how people use Twitter say more about how you guys consume media than anything else.
Seb Member	Tue Dec 03 05:15:13 And certainly explain how CC has got herself stuck in such a strange frame of mind.
murder Member	Tue Dec 03 07:01:11 "Was Fox news the worst thing that ever happened for republicans?" Yes it was.
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Dec 03 08:20:27 [sebfag (disingenuous liar, Regime sycophant, likely pederast)]: "contentless rage-vomit like CC" See how sebfag lies so freely? I keep referring him to my comment ("Tue Nov 26 02:49:41"). Was it "contentless"? Absolutely not. He is telling this lie because he is a liar. My comment above is compact and has very direct and distilled principles in bullet-point format. I asked him very specific policy questions that many people here would be happy to answer and could answer very easily. But sebfag is a coward who forms into jelly and slime when tasked with specific policy beliefs, since it is in the nature of cowards to perform the motte-and-bailey fallacy — like a press secretary who never actually answers the substance of a question. Others can feel free to test this of sebfag themselves and many have already done this. sebfag is incapable of answering direct questions because he knows that he has the ideology of goblins and sick creatures of bogs and soggy ruins. He always fears facing my comments because I so thoroughly embarrassed him years ago in the 5x3 threads. I produced a simple questionnaire for him which would show the absolute origin of his ideological errors, and he failed at the very first step, proving his ineptitude and weaknesses unmistakably. He was too stupid to even realize what he had done, so he fears repeating the mistake. So, again Anyone who wants to know that sebfag is a coward who is lying can simply refer back to my comment above ("Tue Nov 26 02:49:41"). Because sebfag is a dysgenic coward and a traitor, he will never respond to comments like that since he knows that it will expose him as a pederast sympathizer and a degenerate freak. His only tactic now is to spam and evade while hoping that people forget what a piece of shit he is. But we know what sebfag is, and we will never forget. There is nothing human about him. He is so inept that in his own defense he can only communicate to judges that their previous ideas of punishment were inadequate and that he deserves far far worse than any noble person could imagine; every response he gives is a proof-of-concept that he is an absolute enemy.
jergul large member	Tue Dec 03 08:28:16 A bit amusing that the dysgenics of this forum tend to be the one with children. Not exclusively, but the trend is clear.
jergul large member	Tue Dec 03 08:29:25 Though to be fair, I am probably the only one that married a blue-eyed, blond haired viking princess :).
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Dec 03 08:41:25 jergfag has thoroughly proven that he is dygenic, yes. His ideology is incredibly weak, he has the kind of zero-work-ethic degeneracy of jews, lutherans, and calvinists, and there is nothing redeemable about him at all. Not in his entire history in UP has he done anything noteworthy or good. Even were he to find a wife who were somehow not dysgenic, the products would come out like jackals or vultures and be doomed to the hell prison of the society that he has poisoned with his entire pathetic life — like deer born into the mouth of a komodo dragon.
jergul large member	Tue Dec 03 08:48:37 Maybe that is my confirmation bias. I am nonchalant about the great replacement because in my personal experience, if nature runs its course, everyone will marry a blond viking princess and have enough girls to cover replacement rates 4 times over. I should keep an open mind. It might be that.
jergul large member	Tue Dec 03 08:49:52 I think you are conflating the catholic drink ethic with the Lutheran work ethic there CC.
Dukhat Member	Tue Dec 03 09:29:07 Cherub Cow is so pathetically helpless to improve her own life, she became obsessed with far-right memes that blame others. Fucking piece of shit.
Rugian Member	Tue Dec 03 09:55:55 Wait...so Jews, Lutherans, and Calvinists are degenerates. We already know what CC thinks of Muslims, Catholics, and atheists (Bolsheviks). I would bet my entire life's savings that Anglicanism is considered a cult of the global leftists elites. Obviously, Hinduism, Shinto, and Buddhism are heathen abominations practiced by the unwashed subhumans of the Global South. CC, I have to ask. Which religious creeds do you view in a positive or at least neutral light? Eastern Orthodoxy?
Rugian Member	Tue Dec 03 10:01:05 Deism maybe?
jergul large member	Tue Dec 03 10:09:05 Scientology? Zarahustra?
jergul large member	Tue Dec 03 10:09:46 Mormon? This game is fun!
Rugian Member	Tue Dec 03 11:02:46 Seb Fair enough, I can't argue against your experience on X. I'm just saying, BlueSky is quickly developing a reputation as that site that Democrats who hate Elon Musk are fleeing to. That doesn't bode well for its chances of avoiding becoming a gigantic ideological circlejerk. As noted, BlueSky's most popular user is AOC. That is not a sign that the platform is going to be a hub of balanced intellectual vigor. Not to mention that you and I probably have very different Overton Windows. A post on immigration or LGBTism that I wouldn't give a second thought about might be the most offensive and unacceptable message in the world in your mind. As for Fox News...that's a different situation. Fox was designed to give openly conservative voices an outlet, not to shut out the left. The latter is near-impossible - assuming a conservative consumes any mainstream media as well, they are being exposed to leftwing viewpoints. That is the consequence of the left dominating the modern cultural milieu. The right, for all of its popular support, is basically a non-entity in the news media, Hollywood, the music industry, the education system, corporate HR, etc. All they have are Fox News, a couple of newspapers, and (ownership of) X. And it's telling that the left absolutely can't stand any of them.
Seb Member	Tue Dec 03 15:18:19 Rugian: "I'm just saying, BlueSky is quickly developing a reputation as that site that Democrats who hate Elon Musk are fleeing to" Yes, it probably is amongst those kind of people that are convinced freedom of speech means some kind of requirements that the people they want to hurl abuse at must see and engage with such abuse. What they are probably missing is that it isn't just left leaning folks, it's actually most of the people that provide the core value of Twitter - let's say the posterati - simply because they get more and better engagement on Bluesky. A number of big media outfits have found they are getting way better engagement, click through and conversion rates. That's objectively not good. Elon gone fucked up and tweaked the algo too much for people with a vested interest of shunting their views or opinion (political or otherwise) and away from organic discourse. And X's war against external links is inherently anti real-time news (Twitter's killer use case). Bluesky is, in my experience, better now at that than X since they started throttling posts with links. It's also true that if the left leave twitter, Twitter by definition is also an echo box. We saw Parler etc fail because these "from of speech" folks realised there was nobody there to abuse. I think that's the trajectory twitter is on. Platforms die you know. Live journal, MySpace... remember those? Unlike Facebook, Musk hasn't paid off the acquisition costs of Twitter he can't afford to buy out the competition. "noted, BlueSky's most popular user is AOC" Yeah, as the first high profile politician with a massive social media following to migrate. "A post on immigration or LGBTism that I wouldn't give a second thought about might be the most offensive and unacceptable message in the world in your mind." No, I'm talking about folks who jump into your conversations with other people with shit like CC. Just having the feed filled with bullshit posts like you are describing is kinda pointless. I can skim UPs front page and ignore everything that's just not interesting to me. If have to scroll three minutes though a mix of temu ads, random anti-trans nonsense, shitposts replies to things I engaged with a few days ago etc etc before I find something interesting or relevant well what's the point? I'm just wasting my time. "Fox was designed to give openly conservative voices an outlet" And musk has tweaked the algo to prevent left wing folks on Twitter easily engaging with each other, and provided a means for edgelords and bots to hijack and disrupt them engaging with eachother or broadcasting their message. So obviously they are going to look at something that works better. "The right, for all of its popular support," The political right hasn't had the popular support for decades because it's exclusionary and driven by fear, anger and hatred of particular outgroups that inherently limit its cultural reach. This is both bad for business (which is a problem when you've commoditised culture and made it a primarily commercial venture). Normal people aren't interested in politics being part of every part of life, and they also don't see most of what you see as political from the left as being "politics". Cf. Abortion which is probably going to bite the republicans in the arse over time. Even Trump's success in the popular vote this time owes more to the successful Bannonite strategy (borrowed from Putin) of "flooding the zone with shit" until people zone out; and relying on anti-incumbency wave driven by economic malaise.
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